(02:04:45 ®) Wraith's tyme says to everyone:
Welcome to this week's Discussion! The topic tonight is "BDSM and Hypnosis" and Senoj will be leading the discussion as well as answering questions based on the topic, which was also last Thursday's class. PLEASE keep Y/your greetings and non-discussion related convos to PM so as not to interrupt. Hope Y/you will stay and participate. ~Thank Y/you A/all

(02:05:03 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
You're on Sir *w*

(02:05:41 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
i think i said disillusioned...lol

(02:05:47 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
no mine was wrong

(02:06:50) Senoj says to everyone:
Good evening all. Thursday's discussion was very broad and not a lot of detail because there was so much ground to cover.

(02:07:30) Senoj says to everyone:
So tonight I want to try and get into more detail on the aspects of hypnosis that interests you.

(02:08:55) Senoj says to everyone:
One topic that got people's attention Thursday was using it to have a sub orgasm on command.

(02:09:29 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
interesting .....possibility *s*

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(02:10:05) Senoj says to everyone:
Feel free to toss out ideas or ask questions.

(02:10:50 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
I am wondering if anything that You have done while the subject was in a trance...has resulted in any physical manifestations.

(02:11:01) Senoj says to everyone:
One comment that was made was questioning whether this was worthwhile because you are taking away the submissive's will.

(02:11:04 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
trance even

(02:12:09) ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle} changes names and will henceforth be known as ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}

(02:12:15) Senoj says to Wraith:
It is possible. The one instance that comes to my mind wasn't even in a trance, it was a demo to show people how suggestion works

(02:13:00) Senoj says to Wraith:
It involves imagining biting into a slice of lemon. Turns out he girl was allergic to lemons and actually broke out around the mouth.

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(02:13:26) Corum says to everyone:
Hello to everyone

(02:14:18) Senoj says to Wraith:
So anything that is influenced by the mind can be influenced, triggered, or altered.

(02:14:21 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Interesting...I more meant...if You suggest that the flogger is say..hot or ice cold..would the results of these things show up on the subs body as physical manifestations

(02:15:12) Senoj says to Wraith:
They would certainly "feel" the heat or the cold. For cold, goose bumps may appear.

(02:15:43 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Ah..good..I was merely concerned on the aspect of safety..

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(02:16:32 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
I don't want her to have blisters for a week simply because I suggested the flogger straps are made from flame

(02:16:46) Senoj says to Wraith:
One example, Kay and I were experimenting with the idea of branding. So we set up a scene where I told her she'd feel the intense burning when the "brand" touched her thigh. I used the eraser on a pencil to touch her, but she screamed just as you would expect when burned that way.

(02:17:24 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
So in effect..it's all in their heads..to coin a phrase..

(02:17:29) Senoj says to Wraith:
There was no physical marks, but for months she knew exactly where that "brand" was

(02:18:03) Senoj says to Wraith:
Exactly. Which is why I like using hypnosis to explore new edgier territory.

(02:18:10 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
When Wraith comes to my place i generally get Him a cup of coffee when He enters, if He *suggested* i strip naked before pouring His coffee every time, would the fact that the curtains were open or that His kids were with Him , keep me from doing the strip? or would He has to have a word or something to stop me before i started stripping?

(02:18:41 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Did You then leave the brand suggestion in her long term memory and not erase it..and so thus she remembered it happening ?

(02:18:43 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to Senoj:
safer alternative in that case i would imagine ...*s*

(02:19:24) Senoj says to tyme:
That depends partly on you. It would be wise for him to word the suggestion carefully. Say you strip only when he is the only one there with you and nobody else can see.

(02:20:26 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
slips that suggestion to Wraith *w* and thank You Sir

(02:20:55 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to tyme:
I could word at as..only if it is Me..or Me and any of My male friends..*W*

(02:21:13) Senoj says to everyone:
That brings up an important point. People in trance are VERY literal. You must word things carefully, also the mind doesn't process a negative very well at all. So it’s very possible the command "Don't strip in front of the kids" gets processed as "Do strip in front of the kids"

(02:21:23 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Wraith:
okay......... that would do it *w*

(02:21:48) ~angel~ says to tyme:
hopes you're an exhibitionist -l-

(02:22:01 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
no problem there for Me as tyme is quite literal no matter the situation

(02:22:28 ®) Wraith's tyme says to ~angel~:
nope.....not in general, for Him i can be though...

(02:23:02 ®) Wraith's tyme says to andrea gail:

was He being nice? literal, am i literal? *w*

(02:23:11) Senoj says to Wraith:
But also think through your suggestions. When you give more than one, they may get confusing, especially if they are contradictory.

(02:23:30 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
How long does it take to get someone into a trance ?..or does it mainly depend on the individual

(02:23:48 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to tyme:
very literal ...lol

(02:24:04) ~angel~ says to tyme:
but we loves you anyway -g-

(02:24:06 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Understood...I shall use My words to live by...keep it simple stupid..*W*

(02:24:42) Senoj says to Wraith:
They are a lot of different inductions, so I will talk about them a bit. The most common induction is the progressive relaxation. It works on about 80% of the population, which is why stage hypnotists use it for their shows.

(02:24:47 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to tyme:
yes and there's nothing wrong with being literal...*w*

(02:24:52) ~angel~ says to Senoj:
which leads to a question I have, if you are a fairly reserved person and have issues with noise from people around you...would this help remove an inhibition?

(02:24:59 ®) Wraith's tyme says to ~angel~:
have you ever seen hypnosis used on one of your nights out?

(02:25:27) ~angel~ says to tyme:
no...but I do know there are a few who do it

(02:25:46) Senoj says to everyone:
I'm one of the 20% it doesn't work well on, whereas my wife is out like a light. For me I have to use a combination relaxation and confusion induction. All of these take about 5 to 10 minutes.

(02:25:51 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
gonna be a few more if this works..*G*

(02:26:20) ~angel~ says to Wraith:
inhibitions?-l-

(02:26:30) Senoj says to everyone:
But if you know someone trance easily, there are what’s called instant inductions. I can actually have my wife in trance in 3 seconds.

(02:26:49 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
blonds *Shakes head*....hypnotists

(02:27:25 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
Methinks there are far too many inhibitions around already

(02:27:36) ~angel~ says to Wraith:
-l-..oops -g-

(02:28:21 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
So then I would have to play it by ear so to speak..from one subject to the next..until I know them well enough

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(02:28:47) Senoj says to ~angel~:
If its something you want fixed, for yourself. Can't be because someone else wants it changed. Yes you can use one of the hypnotherapy methods. The Krasner method is probably the simplest to learn and works very well for inhibitions, phobias, eating habits, stop smoking, etc.

(02:29:45 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Is there a way to hypnotize someone to say...grow hair ?..just curious

(02:30:07 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to Wraith:
lmao

(02:30:28) Senoj says to Wraith:
Here is the super Dominant hypnotists secret. Subspace = trance, the induction is already done by a good scene. Just use a deepening technique and viola... much fun is had by all.

(02:30:58) Senoj says to Wraith:
Not to my knowledge... But then I haven't tried either.

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(02:31:11 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Agrees it would be a boon to be able to get My subbie into subspace every time Wwe scene..*Nods*

(02:31:47 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
I see...well..if You do..and it actually works..I'll be wanting to know how to do it..*S*

(02:32:16) ~angel~ says to tyme:
awe..look..-g- he’s planning on more hair for my someday visit -g-

(02:32:25) Senoj says to Wraith:
A hypnotist former friend of mine, wasn't kinky at the time, walked into his first dungeon party, looks around and says "I get what your doing, but what’s with all the furniture?"

(02:33:46 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Chuckles...If I Master this technique I just know I'll have someone somewhere clucking like a chicken..*G*

(02:33:56 ®) Wraith's tyme says to ~angel~:
i like His head the way it is.....no really *w*

(02:34:24) Senoj says to Wraith:
One of the interesting role-play type scenes I was reading about is a sex robot. Make the sub move in a mechanical / jerky fashion and have to do exactly what you tell them.

(02:34:39 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
Uh huh..she says with the chrome dome I look like a 6 foot tall penis that blinks..

(02:35:12 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Oh that's interesting..kind of like Your very own Cherry 2000

(02:35:23) Senoj says to Wraith:
exactly.

(02:35:47 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
so really the limits of this are only the things the other person would not do normally ?

(02:36:04) Senoj says to everyone:
If you get into this seriously, you're going to hear about something called NLP. Stands for Neuro Linguistic Programming

(02:37:25) ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle} changes names and will henceforth be known as ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}

(02:37:57) Senoj says to Wraith:
Yes but more complex than that. A lot of things a person wouldn't NORMALLY do, they'll do under hypnosis. They just won't do anything that they would NEVER do, or at least feel very strongly about. The level of trust affects this. You will probably be able to get tyme to do more than I could for example.

(02:38:41) Senoj says to everyone:
NLP is the stuff salesmen go to classes to learn how to do because its how to influence someone without he need for a trance.

(02:38:52 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
I see..makes sense

(02:39:07) Senoj says to everyone:
Ever see the Ron Jefferies adds for speed seduction? That is NLP

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(02:39:32) SK's phaedra says to everyone:
*wanders in and plops down on a cushion* evenin A/all

(02:40:36 ®) tyme< Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
what would say Wraith have to do to be able to do this to me? classes? books? talk to someone who has done it? i suppose what i am asking is how much work/time would have to be dedicated to doing just the basics

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(02:40:52) Senoj says to everyone:
To me using NLP on an unwitting person is a bit unethical

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(02:41:30 ®) tyme< Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
so NLP is similar to subliminal suggestions? or is that what it is?

(02:42:13) Senoj says to tyme:
Know those two books I suggested? Get one, they have scripts already written for suggestibility tests, inductions and deepening. Spend a couple hours to familiarize yourself with it, use the book as a reference and there you go.

(02:42:20 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
would NLP work on a loan officer at a bank ?

(02:42:57) Senoj says to Wraith:
Another dirty secret, tell them to SLEEP. Then read the book if you need to remind yourself how to do something. They'll never know

(02:43:32) Senoj says to Wraith:
Absolutely. I swear next time I go get a car I'm kidnapping my friend Yolanda and making her bargain for me

(02:43:38 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Clever..I will remember that..*G*

(02:44:58) Corum says to Senoj:
I'm interested in using hypnosis to soften inhibitions and open submissive’s using to new experiences. Is hypnosis an effective tool for that?

(02:45:01 ®) Wraith's tyme says to everyone:
so again Sir, just so all get, You could not hypnotize me to do something i wouldn't otherwise do .... or at least i couldn't be *made* to do something i felt strongly against doing?

(02:45:51 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
tyme's being literal in her questions because she knows what a lunatic I am..*W*

(02:45:56) Senoj says to tyme:
With NLP you try to align you method of communication with that of your subject, use certain social cues that imply trust, add a little confusion/misdirection and what you say slips right past their filters. Watch salesmen closely, how they purposely do things to confuse you.

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(02:46:32) Senoj says to tyme:
That true tyme.

(02:47:21 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
yes Sir....

(02:47:27) Senoj says to Corum:
I use it often for that very thing. When someone trusts you with hypnosis they know they what you're doing is safe, even if the activity you're simulating isn't. Then you can gauge how they liked it.

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(02:48:41) SK's phaedra says to Wraith:
*makes a barely appropriate sound at the lunatic company*

(02:49:30) Corum says to Senoj:
*nods* I've met subs who are interested, but hesitant. They need help feeling at ease and bridging the gap between fantasy and reality

(02:49:44) Senoj says to everyone:
Realizing that subs and slaves are a bit different. You can use hypnosis to reinforce slave training.

(02:49:50) SK's phaedra says to Wraith:
*crosses out company....writes comment and takes my jetlagged self back to quietland*

(02:50:43) Senoj says to everyone:
It is basically behavior modification. Want to help them remember to conform to new rituals you are trying to establish, or break a habit you find annoying

(02:51:32) SK's phaedra says to Senoj:
*raises my hand* does that work with everything Sir? like....not eating cookies or being able to hold a position for longer?

(02:51:34 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to tyme:
bet Scorpios would be good at that...lol

(02:51:44) Senoj says to everyone:
However, they have to have the right mentality first. Hypnosis is NOT brainwashing.

(02:52:44 ®) Wraith's tyme says to andrea gail:

makes a hypnosis list for you *w*

(02:52:57) Senoj says to SK's phaedra ~precious puckb...:
Yes it does, but I will caveat that. If I say a position can be held longer because you feel no discomfort... well you might hurt yourself by holding it too long.

(02:53:31) SK's phaedra says to Senoj:
*nodding softly* that is true Sir...

(02:54:04 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to tyme:
kidding...lol

(02:54:04) Senoj says to everyone:
I didn't mention pain control. But you can do it. enhancing the pain is ok. However, I won't do pain reduction even in therapy without a written Doctors permission.

(02:54:35) Senoj says to everyone:
When the person doesn't feel something, you could be masking a serious problem.

(02:55:08 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Have You ever used it to increase the fear in a girl..like in blade or fire play ?

(02:55:55 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
semi off topic...... say a person had an injury and the pain was not controlled well by other means, maybe the person can't take enough drugs to deaden the pain......could hypnosis be used to tell the person, they are not feeling so much pain?

(02:56:29) Senoj says to Wraith:
You can do it, I'd be hesitant though. You'd have to really think the scene through and know how your girl would react to the fear.

(02:57:06 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
Understands..wouldn't want her blowing a heart valve

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(02:57:15) Senoj says to tyme:
Absolutely, go get a prescription from you doctor first before any therapist will do it.

(02:57:24) ~angel~ says to Wraith:
sighs thinking of the adrenaline rush on that

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(02:58:11) Senoj says to Wraith:
I see the attraction. I enjoy using fear in a scene... partly why I like a good mind fuck. And hypno makes those oh so much better

(02:59:21 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
pretty much the next level of mind fuck

(02:59:27) ~medusea~ says to everyone:
perks hearing mind fuck

(02:59:34 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to Senoj:
like the Matrix

(02:59:50) Senoj says to everyone:
If you do decide to start, there are a couple things I'll tell you privately... Heh, there really are some secret things in that Dom handbook now

(03:00:19) Senoj says to ~medusea~:

do you like a good mind fuck?

(03:00:31) ~angel~ says to Senoj:
do we all get a copy of that?-l-

(03:00:37) ~medusea~ says to Senoj:
soft nod..very much so

(03:00:53 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
keyword..Dom

(03:00:57) Senoj says to everyone:
officially my hour is up. But I'm happy to keep talking

(03:01:02 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to ~angel~:
you'll have to steal that one...*w*

(03:01:21) ~angel~ says to Wraith:
is that a no?-l-

(03:02:11) Senoj says to ~angel~:
But if you know this one, then it won't work on you. Do you really want to spoil it?

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(03:02:24 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to ~angel~:
Look into My eyes...yes..that's a no..*G*

(03:02:51 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to Neptune:
evening Nep ....*hugs*

(03:02:55 ®) Wraith{tyme} says to tyme:
stuffs you in My Chair and steps out for a bit

(03:03:15) Neptune says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
*s* evening lovely muse

(03:03:19) ~angel~ says to Senoj:
maaan...I totally hate logic -l-

(03:03:51) ~janelle~ ...His always...in all ways... says to Senoj:
~gives You Mav's email so You can send it along~

(03:03:58) ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle} says to Senoj:
I found it very interesting...thanks for sharing

(03:04:26) ~angel~ says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
bites your ass since it’s officially over

(03:04:27 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to ~angel~:
~gets within an inch of your face...looks into each eye~....did it work?

(03:04:28) Corum says to Senoj:
Yes, I found it interesting too. Thanks.

(03:04:35) Senoj says to ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}: thanks for the opportunity to share.

(03:04:36 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to Senoj:
yes ...thank You very much Sir for offering to teach the class and having the discussion ...it was very interesting ...*s*

(03:04:50) ~angel~ says to andrea gail:
mm...no..-g- but...for the sake of mindfucks...I'll leave the book be -l-

(03:05:01) ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle} says to Senoj:
waits for the secret files....LOL

(03:05:11 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
He wants to know and no i don't want it spoiled Sir, so please whisper it .... at least to Wraith, He is on His way back already

(03:05:12 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to ~angel~:
*whimpers my thanks * ..*g*

(03:05:24) ~angel~ says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
welcome..-g-

(03:05:29) ~medusea~ says to Neptune:
soft smyle an hugs..hello Handsome

(03:06:08 ®) ~andrea gail~ says to Senoj:
great job Sir....thank You...*s*

(03:06:15) ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle} says to everyone:
Heads to the pillow..Be Safe and Well A/all

(03:06:17) ~angel~ says to ~medusea~:

snugs- hiya beautiful evil type shrew

(03:06:22) Neptune says to ~medusea~:
slaps your sexy butt *g* hiya medusea

(03:06:23) ~janelle~ ...His always...in all ways... says to everyone:
~waves hello to Eeveryone~

(03:06:38 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}: good night Sir ..*s*

(03:06:42) Corum says to ~janelle~...His always...in ...: hi janelle

(03:06:46) isabella says to ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}: good night Sir

(03:06:52) ~janelle~ ...His always...in all ways... says to ~EASYRIDER~ {michelle}: G'night, handsome Sir.... sweetest of dreams.... ~s~

(03:06:55) ~medusea~ says to ~angel~:
chuckles an hugs..hello freaken sweetness and lightish type person

(03:07:10) ~janelle~ ...His always...in all ways... says to Corum:
Hello.... ~s~

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(03:07:19) ~medusea~ says to Neptune:
pursssss softly an shimmies her ass as You slap it

(03:08:09) Senoj says to Wraith:
ok I passed it on to Wraith and he can spread it as he chooses

(03:08:24) ~medusea~ says to everyone:
softly...good eve Aall

(03:08:39) ~angel~ says to Wraith:
that kinda sounds like you've the plague now -l-

(03:08:42) isabella says to everyone:
slips out as well.

(03:08:45 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
thank You Sir *s*

(03:08:46) Corum says to ~medusea~:
hello medusea *s*

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(03:08:59) ~medusea~ says to Corum:
warm smyle..good eve Sir

(03:09:01) Senoj says to everyone:
Feel free to bug me bout it anytime

(03:09:08) ~angel~ says to Corum:
hello Corum

(03:09:14) Neptune says to ~angel~:
evening brat

(03:09:20) Corum says to ~angel~:
hi angel *s*

(03:09:24 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to Corum:
Good evening Sir ..*s*

(03:09:28 ®) Wraith's tyme says to Senoj:
and again, thank You so much for doing the lecture and the discussion, both were great and appreciated *s*

(03:09:39) Corum says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
*s* hi muse

(03:09:53) Senoj says to Corum:
In the talk Thursday I noted a couple books that would help get people started if you want to pursue it. The Complete Idiots Guide to Hypnosis and Fun With Hypnosis: The Complete How-To Guide

(03:10:00) ~angel~ says to Neptune:
passes that to muse cuz you can't possibly be referring to me

(03:10:13) SK's phaedra says to everyone:
*does a big group wave* 'Lo Eeveryone

(03:10:25) ~medusea~ says to SK's phaedra ~precious puckb...:
softly..hello lovely

(03:10:50) Neptune says to ~angel~:
writes brat across your tush with a sharpie

(03:10:50 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to ~angel~:
i am not a brat ....

(03:10:57) SK's phaedra says to Senoj:
*does a proper lil curtsey* thank You for sharing Sir....am sorry i was tardy...tonight is the monthly munch here...and we decided to have a blizzard too...took me a bit to get home

(03:11:01) ~janelle~ ...His always...in all ways... says to ~medusea~:
~smiles and waves~.... good evening

(03:11:07 ®) Wraith's tyme says to everyone:
A/all can read the Hypnosis Class as well as the others by clicking on the University of Naughty links on the entry and the bottom of this page *s*

(03:11:08 ®) ‡ dark muse ‡ says to SK's phaedra ~precious puckb...:
*hugs* evening beauty *s*

(03:11:08) ~angel~ says to ‡ dark muse ‡:
are you sure?-l-

(03:11:13) Senoj says to ~medusea~:
LMAO at your mouse over. Can I watch?

(03:11:24) Corum says to Senoj:
I would like to read an introduction to this subject. thanks